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Showcase discussion

Post Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:39 pm

Re: Cleric Options
Postby Hywaywolf on Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:00 pm
Has then been on the workshop and been given peer review yet? I am not sure I have seen this before.

Re: Cleric Options
Postby artikid on Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:01 pm
It's new, I uploaded it 10 minutes ago.
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Postby Hywaywolf on Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:07 pm
In my opinion, the showcase shouldn't be where non-reviewed supplements go even if you are on the approved list. They should still be polished up in the workshop and once you feel they are complete be moved to the showcase. Then again, I am not the Benign Dictator For Life here :)

Showcase should be just that, a Showcase of finished but not playtested products. Not an elite workshop for approved providers.

Postby SmootRK on Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:10 pm
In general agreement with Hyway. Let folks offer opinions via Workshop (as I am currently doing with Familiars), then when it seems to have more polish, then the Showcase is good.

In my opinion, Showcase is for generally finished projects. Workshop (forum) is the training grounds for which one gets a project to that finished state... not that you cannot still make changes to a Showcase item when issues come up or new ideas need to be incorporated.


Postby artikid on Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:20 pm
Hywaywolf wrote:In my opinion, the showcase shouldn't be where non-reviewed supplements go even if you are on the approved list...
Hywaywolf wrote:...Not an elite workshop for approved providers.

I've not been up to date with submission procedures.
As I used to do with the other files, I had initially sent the file to Chris for upload/approval and he gave me the go.
I was not trying to "skip" or pass in front of anybody else.

BTW I thought the file was as polished as I could get it done without some playtesting.
Smoot's feedback has apparently proved me wrong.


Postby Solomoriah on Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:50 pm
artikid is neglecting to mention that he sent it to me first, and I told him to put it in the Showcase.

This is not a business. Peer review is not required. If I give you a Showcase account upgrade, I trust you. I expect you to put only complete, ready-for-playtesting materials there, and that is precisely what artikid did. Even if I had not told him to do it, I'd be defending him.

Now, peer review is good. I'm not saying it isn't. But I'll admit, I often wonder why Showcase authors spend all their time working in the Workshop... is this, then, the reason?


Postby SmootRK on Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:58 pm
I use the workshop because I write most BFRPG stuff in a rather collaborative way, both for the ideas it generates and because I want to engage others into coming up with stuff themselves... in effect, trying to train in some new authors... get them sharing, get them writing, get them commenting on stuff. Begging for others to be active in our little community.

That said, once I feel like something is essentially finished, then I feel like it can go to the showcase. It can still get edits from there, but likely less frequently as the bulk of the work is done.


Postby Dimirag on Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:02 pm
I use both the workshop and the showcase at the same time so the file is easily accessible via both of this (so the reader doesn't have to go to another page and search for the file)
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Postby Hywaywolf on Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:22 pm
I did not mean that as a dig at Artikid. I should not have been talking in general about showcase items on a specific showcase project. That was my mistake. It was just that this thread got me thinking about it. Its fine if the Showcase is going to be for non peer reviewed projects. Its just not what I thought the Showcase would be.


Postby Hywaywolf on Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:31 pm
I suppose I am looking at it from someone coming from the outside. I would see the downloads page as the official rules, supplements, modules, etc as designated by the creator of BFRPG. The showcase would be finished products from select BFRPG authors. And then the workshop would be for products "under construction". Taking a long view, judging from posts I have seen just on this thread, it looks like the Showcase will soon become the defacto workshop location for approved authors rather than the Showcase of finished products.
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Re: Showcase discussion

Post Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:45 pm

I should also note that I upload on the showcase only what to my are finished and presentable works, if it lacks a part or I need some feedback on some specific item I only upload it on the workshop, then once its ready to be on the showcase I also upload it (even when submitting a newer version) on the workshop.
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Re: Showcase discussion

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Postby Solomoriah on Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:30 pm
When describing the Showcase, I never said "finished," I said "complete."

Postby SmootRK on Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:35 pm
I am in agreement with you (hyway) here. Workshop is exactly that.

One does not build furniture in the showroom (ie.showcase section)... that stuff belongs back in the workshop (ie forum). The best (and official) stuff goes into the locked display cabinets (ie downloads of 'official' stuff).
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Re: Showcase discussion

Post Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:46 pm

MY apologies to Chris. I should have said "complete" products.
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Re: Showcase discussion

Post Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:47 pm

And, one should note that Hywaywolf and me don't always agree on stuff. :lol:
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Re: Showcase discussion

Post Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:34 pm

Hyway is more minimalist than Smoot, and more prone to saying "no" to something than either I or Smoot are. In fact, in both ways, I think I'm kind of in the middle. But I'd be an idiot if I only appointed lieutenants who agree with me all the time.
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Re: Showcase discussion

Post Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:46 pm

I think the showcase and Workshop go hand in had.. Its a great way to get your ideas up easily and then get the feedback you need.
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Re: Showcase discussion

Post Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:46 pm

I say no to complex things in the core rules. Supplements are for saying yes to all those other goodies. :). The reason I am more apt to say NO is because I don't have 25 years of game experience and haven't grown bored by the simple approach. I consider myself the voice of the newbie.

I also know that I am nearly the least useful person on this board when it comes to providing content. I don't write rules or new monsters or create modules or supplements. I just don't have the experience and knowledge to put forth something useful. Where I see my value is that I have been a constant and consistent irritant in Solomoriah's nether regions since 2006 when I first found BFRPG. All I can offer of value is my perspective from long term exposure to the goodness that is BFRPG.
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Re: Showcase discussion

Post Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:49 pm

dymondy2k wrote:I think the showcase and Workshop go hand in had.. Its a great way to get your ideas up easily and then get the feedback you need.
You just described the definition of the Workshop. Why do you need the Showcase to get feedback?
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Re: Showcase discussion

Post Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:51 pm

Its a centralized location thats easy for other users to get to.. no sharing on a third party website or an FTP site.. Maybe 'Showcase' is the wrong word.. maybe it should be called the 'Workshop' as well.
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