Is the Vampire's CHARM ability the same as CHARM PERSON?

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Is the Vampire's CHARM ability the same as CHARM PERSON?

Post Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:33 pm

Is a vampire's ability to charm a person equivalent to the CHARM PERSON spell? I ask because my group's PC's are all past 4th level, though I'd still like the vampires to be able to charm them (of course allowing for the saving throw).

Any thoughts, or is this one GM fiat?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Is the Vampire's CHARM ability the same as CHARM PERSON?

Post Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:10 pm

It's up to the GM. I'd rule its power level is more in line with Charm Monster though.
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Post Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:23 pm

I rule it as an ability with similar effect rather than an exact copy of the spell. Otherwise I think it would say the vampire is able to cast charm.
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Post Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:06 pm

Solomoriah wrote:It's up to the GM. I'd rule its power level is more in line with Charm Monster though.
Thanks Solo, I like that advice since I can use it for my high-level players.
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Post Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:07 pm

Dimirag wrote:I rule it as an ability with similar effect rather than an exact copy of the spell. Otherwise I think it would say the vampire is able to cast charm.
Thanks Dimirag
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Re: Is the Vampire's CHARM ability the same as CHARM PERSON?

Post Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:08 pm

Well, Charm Person does say
Humans and demi-humans may be affected, regardless of level of ability.

The 4 HD limit is only for "humanoid creatures", which in game terms does not include humans and demi-humans (although they are technically "humanoid" by the original meaning of the word).

So I would actually rule the vampire's ability to work like the spell.
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Post Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:23 pm

Rhialto wins the prize here! I completely forgot that bit myself...
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Re: Is the Vampire's CHARM ability the same as CHARM PERSON?

Post Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:15 pm

Kinda related question but can vampires be in the middle of a duel and gaze at their opponent or do they have to stand still at the top of a staircase laughing evilly and their bulbous eyeballs well bulb?
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Post Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:14 pm

They can use their power in lieu of attacking, at any time they might attack normally.
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Post Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:40 pm

Thanks so much folks. And I had missed that bit about humans and demi-humans as well in CHARM PERSON.

This has been a huge help. Though the party did defeat the vampires anyway. The lead guy went after the Paladin first who warned everyone to shield their eyes.

No matter, I'll probably kill them tomorrow.
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