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Re: Backgrounds, Specialties, and Quasi Classes-
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:29 am
by Solomoriah
Dimirag wrote:The QC supplement changed to a xp cost some while ago.
The one located on the Downloads is R2 and should have been removed.
And it would have been, if the author had let me know to remove it...
EDIT: Actually, it was R1.
Re: Backgrounds, Specialties, and Quasi Classes-
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:49 pm
by SmootRK
Solomoriah wrote:Dimirag wrote:The QC supplement changed to a xp cost some while ago.
The one located on the Downloads is R2 and should have been removed.
And it would have been, if the author had let me know to remove it...
EDIT: Actually, it was R1.
Yeah, go ahead and remove the one on the main downloads.
It can remain in showcase, at least until I finish up an unfinished section of it. I may contact you at that point about whether or not it might go back to the main downloads page.
Re: Backgrounds, Specialties, and Quasi Classes-
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:46 pm
by _Timeshadows_
Yeah, go ahead and remove the one on the main downloads.
It can remain in showcase, at least until I finish up an unfinished section of it. I may contact you at that point about whether or not it might go back to the main downloads page.
Well, the updated, consistent version has been a great help in navigating my main structural framework for the work.
In my RPG, I gave each d100 skill its own cost per %, so that classes (and Quasi-Classes) could set their base values and increases.
I'm now finding the need to write up a 'Normal Human class' to baseline things like pure Medics, Acrobats, Assassins, etc. Is there a file I'm overlooking?
I also intend on decoupling the Classes from the XP Tables, renaming them XP1, XP2, etc., then providing a base XP cost per level (and increase cost) for each Core Ability/Feature (Fighting and Armour/Arms, Thieving Skills, Arcane, DIvine Magic, etc.) so that any conceivable class can be constructed, while making all cannon backwards compatible, and
Core.
I also plan on a Quick-Gen method like Hill Canton's Chris K's, where each component has its XP cost listed so it remains consistent.
Lastly, I'm thinking of including alternate XP Tables consistent with other RPGs, so that Tunnels & Trolls 5th Edition, or D&D 5e, as examples, could create or port PCs back and forth to BFRPG and their alternate system with less of an
ad hoc feel.
Thoughts and Suggestions are most welcome.
Thanks,
Re: Backgrounds, Specialties, and Quasi Classes-
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:42 pm
by Dimirag
Re: Backgrounds, Specialties, and Quasi Classes-
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:08 pm
by _Timeshadows_
Thanks.
There was an old Dragon magazine article like this, but this looks more scholarly. I think this flex and complete compatibility can be accomplished.
Re: Backgrounds, Specialties, and Quasi Classes-
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:02 pm
by _Timeshadows_
A few questions for you good folks:
1). Do you see the distinct 4 Core Class XP tracks as essential?
2). Could a method where only the Features of a Class-build contributing to the XP fulfill your expectations of BFRPG, if the 4 Core Classes were still identical to their current XP Tracks?
3). As above, if Classes were stripped down to their Features inventory (d4 = n XP, Darkvision = etc.) and one could build custom characters in line with the 4 Core Classes, would the decoupling of Quasi-Class Features into purchasable abilities rob your enjoyment of them?
4). Can you see a use for Quasi-Class-only characters (in other words, a pure Acrobat, Healer, etc.)?
Thanks,
_T_
Re: Backgrounds, Specialties, and Quasi Classes-
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:31 pm
by Dimirag
1: I like the XP per class rule, XP is somewhat the final balance touch of each class.
2: Don't worry to much of what other want for BFRPG, do what you want to do for it, I like having specific classes made beforehand, having a XP-feature class builder will surely be helpful.
2b: Don't worry to much if your final cost are not exactly the same but within close values.
3: Don't worry for the QC supplement, not everyone use them, so if your supplement lets you build a barbarian, an athlete or something like that then so be it. I think this kind of supplement is better as a stand alone and not something that must be balance or compared to other class-related supplements.
4: That's entirely up to the GM and group, IIRC at some point in the past the game where almost saturated by classes and classes and more classes, Solo is very careful with letting new classes so a stop was asked, then Smoot created the QC as a way to create lots of classes in a fast and simpler way but some (if not most) GM and players prefer full classes and some (if not most) of them prefer the classical ones. But don't let that stop you from making non-standard classes (or making a supplement that allows the creation of them).
NOTE: Sorry Smoot for speaking for you for the QC, feel free to correct me.
Re: Backgrounds, Specialties, and Quasi Classes-
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 6:18 pm
by SmootRK
Dimirag wrote:1: I like the XP per class rule, XP is somewhat the final balance touch of each class.
2: Don't worry to much of what other what for BFRPG, do what you want to do for it, I like having specific classes made beforehand, having a XP-feature class builder will surely be helpful.
2b: Don't worry to much if your final cost are not exactly the same but within close values.
3: Don't worry for the QC supplement, not everyone use them, so if your supplement lets you build a barbarian, an athlete or something like that then so be it. I think this kind of supplement is better as a stand alone and not something that must be balance or compared to other class-related supplements.
4: That's entirely up to the GM and group, IIRC at some point in the past the game where almost saturated by classes and classes and more classes, Solo is very careful with letting new classes so a stop was asked, then Smoot created the QC as a way to create lots of classes in a fast and simpler way but some (if not most) GM and players prefer full classes and some (if not most) of them prefer the classical ones. But don't let that stop you from making non-standard classes (or making a supplement that allows the creation of them).
NOTE: Sorry Smoot for speaking for you for the QC, feel free to correct me or
I concur completely.
Re: Backgrounds, Specialties, and Quasi Classes-
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:24 pm
by _Timeshadows_
Thanks to both of you.
I appreciate the feedback.
I'll proceed.
Re: Backgrounds, Specialties, and Quasi Classes-
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2014 1:11 pm
by _Timeshadows_
Well, I'm tweaking my point-buy system, and here is my first Proof of Concept:
[edited]
2nd Level M-U-
2,500
-150 2d4 Hit Dice
-100 Simple Weapons
-750 Major Caster Access
-375 0th Level Spells
-750 1st Level Spells
-162 7 0th Level Spells (10 Int)
-024 2 1st Level Spell
-490 35% Magical Research
=
-301 XP remaining