JN3 Saga of the Giants

Creating game materials? Monsters, spells, classes, adventures? This is the place!
User avatar
AlMan
Posts: 228
Joined: Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:01 pm

Re: JN3 Saga of the Giants

Post Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:23 am

And so we finish

Storm Giant Citadel

Page 134
Exploring the City
"Stone Giant" should be "Stone Giantess"

Page 136
2. West Rampart
Hill Giants blocks, the first one with 46 hp, the last 6 blocks are not spaced right, (2 sets of 3 are shown should be set of 5 and a single.

Page 142
9. Monsters
Fire Giant blocks, the giants with 48 and 45 hp the last line of blocks are indented.

Page 146
16. Troll Guards
Should these be in numeric order like the rest of the monsters?

Page 149
12 Sprites
Should these be in numeric order like the rest of the monsters?

Page 150
4. Show Down
Paragraph 3
"old storm giant reclines" should be "old storm giantess reclines"

"and siblings of Utango, Marako and Godanga" should be "and siblings of Utango; Marako and Godanga"

Page 151
Paragraph 5
"blood from has snake-like fangs" should be "blood from her snake-like fangs"

Page 152
Do the stats for Utango need to be repeated here?

Page 153
8 Fire Giant
Should these be in numeric order like the rest of the monsters?

Page 154
Paragraph 2
"them to back to the island" should be "them back to the island"

Pages 162 through 165
Header shows "Storm Giant Citadel" should have "New Magic Items" for 162 and 163; and "New Monsters for pages 164 and 165.

Page 164
Dark Elves Spell List - Line for 1-3
"illuminate the outline the outline of an invisible being." should be "illuminate the outline of an invisible being."
User avatar
AlMan
Posts: 228
Joined: Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:01 pm

Re: JN3 Saga of the Giants

Post Mon Feb 08, 2016 12:43 am

One last note, should Basic Fantasy Field Guide be listed on the license page?
User avatar
Solomoriah
Site Admin
Posts: 7941
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:15 pm
Location: LaBelle, Missouri
Contact:

Re: JN3 Saga of the Giants

Post Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:54 am

It should. Thanks!

... egad, that means importing all those copyright statements from the Field Guide. Well, gotta be done.
My personal site: www.gonnerman.org
User avatar
Solomoriah
Site Admin
Posts: 7941
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:15 pm
Location: LaBelle, Missouri
Contact:

Re: JN3 Saga of the Giants

Post Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:22 pm

AlMan wrote:Solo, sorry to burst your bubble on the print release, but, looking at R12 I found the following;
Saga of the Giants

Page 12
Hill Giant Hall - Map 2 - Room 7 Chamber of the Misshapen
Third paragraph
"days will being to suffer" should be "days will begin to suffer"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 19
Hill Giant Hall - Map 3 - Room 6 Meeting Room
Third paragraph
Treasures - Hill Giant Chief's Wife
"Adorned by has 6 pieces" should be "Adorned by 6 pieces"
Changed to "Adorned with 6 pieces"
AlMan wrote:Here are my corrections for the Caverns of the Stone Giants portion of JN3.

Page 27
The Stone Giants
DOORS Paragraph
"they are c of stone" should probably be "they are created of stone"
I preferred "made of stone" here.
AlMan wrote:Page 28
Giant bag description
62-64. 45.
"three of which are uncut gems worth 50 gp each uncut and 100 gp each if cut." should be "three of which are uncut gems each worth 50 gp."
Eh. I don't like either version. I went with "three of which are uncut gems worth 50 gp each, or 100 gp each if cut."
AlMan wrote:Page 29
2d6 Giant Stirges
Spacing of blocks for entries 30 to 12 the middle blocks don't have a space.
Wow, I'm surprised we never saw that.
AlMan wrote:2d6 Giant Ants
Spacing of blocks for entries 25 to 23 the second line of blocks is centered on the column.
Weird word-wrapping thing. Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 30
6 Flint Knapping
"a rawhide skin in its lap while with industriously chips away at a large piece of flint," possibly should be "a rawhide skin in its lap, while with a small boulder he industriously chips away at a large piece of flint,"
I just plain rewrote it. I think JD changed his mind as to what he was writing halfway through. (I do that sometimes too, and then I go back and say "whuut???")
AlMan wrote:Page 31
12 Aerie
"level wall of iron" (bold) level should not be bolded.
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 34
Wandering Monsters
"Or use make arbitrary" should be "Or make arbitrary"
I went with "Or just roll as desired..." as being easier to read.
AlMan wrote:Table of Wandering Monsters
"2. 2d6 Stirges" should be "2. 2d6 Giant Stirges"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 35
Slave Keeper Matron
Description
"Stone Giant" should be "Stone Giantess"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 38
M2. Temple
Spell Scroll Description after paragraph 7
Make the list of spell scrolls numeric, it is now 2, 1, 3.
I'm not sure why I'd want to change this. There's no "right" order.
AlMan wrote:Here we go on the Frost Giant Fortress:
Page 50
12. Common Guard Room
2 Polar Bears
Blocks for 21 last set of blocks has 6.
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 51
17. Guard Room
Frost giant 2 description, the one with 45 hit points, on the first line of blocks the middle two sets of five don't have a space.
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 53
2. In Front of the Hall
"An ice statues stands in each" should be "An ice statue stands in each"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:5. Kitchen
"3 Frost Giants:" should be "3 Frost Giantesses:"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:5b. Kitchen Staff Room
"2 Frost Giants:" should be "2 Frost Giantesses:"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 54
Cell a
"1 Frost Giant:" should be "1 Frost Giantess:"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 55
9. Queen's Maids
"2 Frost Giants:" should be "2 Frost Giantesses:"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 56
11. Queen's Sitting Room
"2 Frost Giants:" should be "2 Frost Giantesses:"
Fixed. Bunch of these, evidently.
AlMan wrote:Page 57
1. Entrance From Below
"exit in the alcove in the northeast corner of room #2 on the second level." should be "exit in the alcove in the northeast corner of room #3b on the second level."
Fixed. Good catch.
AlMan wrote:Page 59
6. Giant Stirges
Third Stirge blocks spacing between second and third set of blocks
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:8. Steam Room
Fourth paragraph
"They are fire giants in disguise; they return to their normal form when the ring is removed and fire giant form when it is replaced back on a finger." should be "They are fire giants in disguise; they return to their normal form when the ring is removed and frost giant form when it is replaced back on a finger."
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 60
10. NPC Party
"when it strike, burning" should be "when it strikes, burning"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Fire Giant Forge

Page 72 and map on 98
7b. Secret Treasury
Should this room be 7a? The
Leaving it, as it is not ambiguous and is how JD laid it out.
AlMan wrote:Page 73 and map on 98
15b. Fresh Food Storage
Should this room be 15a?
No change; same reasoning as before.
AlMan wrote:Page 74
17. Throne Room
6 Hellhounds fourth has 21 hp
Blocks for 21 last set of blocks has 6
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 75
19c. Bedroom
First paragraph
"single four-post bed" should be "single four-poster bed"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 76
19d. Secret Treasure Room
"The king and queen each wears jewelry..." should it be "The king and queen each wear jewelry..."
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 83
Dark Elf Clerics
Fourth paragraph: Fey magic
"The leader with 25 hit points" should be "The leader with 32 hit points" since there isn't a dark elf with 25 hp in this section.

Fifth paragraph
Equipment
Should the specified equipment with pluses be bolded?

Male Dark Elf Cleric Spells
Second and third level spells should be at the same indent level as the first.
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Seventh paragraph
Equipment
Should the specified equipment with pluses be bolded?
Yes. Fixed.

Also, saving throws should pretty much always be written "save vs. Spells" (vs. instead of versus, and with the category name capitalized properly). Fixed this also, with a global replace that caught 16 Spells saves, 21 Poison saves, 2 Dragon Breath, 1 Wands, 2 Petrification, and 2 Death Ray. (The "versus" vs. "vs." bit is optional, but proper caps should always be used.)
AlMan wrote:Page 84
Female Dark Elf Cleric Spells
Second and third level spells should be at the same indent level as the first.

Second paragraph
Equipment
Should the specified equipment with pluses be bolded?
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 87
7. Dark Elf Outpost
Should the specified equipment with pluses be bolded?
Yes. Fixed.
AlMan wrote:8. Intersection
"nowhere as if it surprised" should be "nowhere as if to surprise"
Actually, the first is what he means. As if the illusionary giant had achieved surprise on the player characters.
AlMan wrote:Page 88
10. Dark Elf Guard Post
Both sets of Equipment and Stats should the specified equipment with pluses be bolded?

Male Dark Elf Cleric
Second level spells should be at the same indent level as the first.
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 89
Female Dark Elf Cleric
Equipment and Stats should the specified equipment with pluses be bolded?
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 90
Four paragraphs that start with "Equipment"
Should the specified equipment with pluses be bolded?
Yes.
AlMan wrote:6 female Dark Elves
"except wielding swords made of dark elf metal (+1)" should be "except wielding swords +1 made of dark elf metal"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 91 and map on 100
14b. Lava Flow
Should this room be 14a?
Not changing this, as noted above.
AlMan wrote:Page 94
4 Orc Chiefs
Should the specified equipment with pluses be bolded?
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 99 Map 2 Dungeon Level
3b
Should this room be 3a?
Not changing this, as noted above.
AlMan wrote:I've got Cloud Giant Castle done.

Cloud Giant Castle

Page 109
30. Priest Room
"two lions from room #20a come rushing" should be "two lions from room #30a come rushing"
Fixed. Good catch.
AlMan wrote:Page 111
2d6 Giant Hawks
Should these be in numeric order like the rest of the monsters?
No, actually, it's probably better that they aren't. Descending order is one of JD's quirks, and I don't change them when he gives them to me that way, but on the other hand I'm not going to sort the ones he didn't sort.
AlMan wrote:Page 112
6 Cloud Giants
Should these be in numeric order like the rest of the monsters?
Again, no.
AlMan wrote:Page 115
"1 Cloud Giant" should be "1 Cloud Giantess"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 116
Guest Quarters
"Each giant wears 2 pieces jewelry worth" should be "Each giant wears 2 pieces of jewelry worth"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 118
"5 Cloud Giant" should be "5 Cloud Giantesses"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 119
Parent's bedroom (d)
"A huge 4-post bed" should be "A huge 4-poster bed"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 120
Children's room (f)
"A fine ceramic piggy banks" should be "A fine ceramic piggy bank"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 123
Giant Flies and Giant Frogs
Should these be in numeric order like the rest of the monsters?
No, as above.
AlMan wrote:Page 125
Giant Spiders
There is a blank line between the 15 and 14 hp spiders.
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Rooms 8 through 13: Royal Keep Cellar
"(room #12 on Map 3: Cloud Giant's Floating Castle)" should be "(12 Royal Keep room b on Map 4: Select Buildings on the Castle Grounds)"
I'm not sure what you're saying here. The original text appears correct to me, and I don't understand what you are wanting it changed to.
AlMan wrote:8. Entrance /Exit
(via the King's Private Chambers ("b") in building #12 the Royal Keep on Map 3: Cloud Giant's Floating Castle)
should be
"(12 Royal Keep room b on Map 4: Select Buildings on the Castle Grounds)"
Again, what? "12 Royal Keep" sounds like a street address. I don't get it.
AlMan wrote:Guard Dogs
Second paragraph
"chained to a huge boulders on each side" should be "chained to huge boulders on each side"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:And so we finish

Storm Giant Citadel

Page 134
Exploring the City
"Stone Giant" should be "Stone Giantess"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 136
2. West Rampart
Hill Giants blocks, the first one with 46 hp, the last 6 blocks are not spaced right, (2 sets of 3 are shown should be set of 5 and a single.
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 142
9. Monsters
Fire Giant blocks, the giants with 48 and 45 hp the last line of blocks are indented.
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 146
16. Troll Guards
Should these be in numeric order like the rest of the monsters?
Nope.
AlMan wrote:Page 149
12 Sprites
Should these be in numeric order like the rest of the monsters?
Nope.
AlMan wrote:Page 150
4. Show Down
Paragraph 3
"old storm giant reclines" should be "old storm giantess reclines"

"and siblings of Utango, Marako and Godanga" should be "and siblings of Utango; Marako and Godanga"
Actually, the original is correct here. We are naming the siblings of Utango. A semicolon is not correct in this usage, as "Marako and Godanga" is incomplete.
AlMan wrote:Page 151
Paragraph 5
"blood from has snake-like fangs" should be "blood from her snake-like fangs"
Fixed. Also, that sentence ended "with a relish" but should have been "with relish" so I have fixed that also.
AlMan wrote:Page 152
Do the stats for Utango need to be repeated here?
JD likely did it for convenience. I put in a GM Note pointing out the earlier appearance.
AlMan wrote:Page 153
8 Fire Giant
Should these be in numeric order like the rest of the monsters?
Nope.
AlMan wrote:Page 154
Paragraph 2
"them to back to the island" should be "them back to the island"
Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Pages 162 through 165
Header shows "Storm Giant Citadel" should have "New Magic Items" for 162 and 163; and "New Monsters for pages 164 and 165.
Actually, it was supposed to be "New Magic Items and Monsters" for both sections. Fixed.
AlMan wrote:Page 164
Dark Elves Spell List - Line for 1-3
"illuminate the outline the outline of an invisible being." should be "illuminate the outline of an invisible being."
Fixed.



Wow. That was a bunch of changes.

I'm going to push R13 to the Downloads page tonight. Please, guys, take a look and see if I've created any flow errors. This will be a new print release in a week or so if it's okay.
My personal site: www.gonnerman.org
User avatar
AlMan
Posts: 228
Joined: Fri Jun 26, 2015 5:01 pm

Re: JN3 Saga of the Giants

Post Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:29 pm

Solomoriah wrote:
AlMan wrote:Seventh paragraph
Equipment
Should the specified equipment with pluses be bolded?
Yes. Fixed.

Also, saving throws should pretty much always be written "save vs. Spells" (vs. instead of versus, and with the category name capitalized properly). Fixed this also, with a global replace that caught 16 Spells saves, 21 Poison saves, 2 Dragon Breath, 1 Wands, 2 Petrification, and 2 Death Ray. (The "versus" vs. "vs." bit is optional, but proper caps should always be used.)
Thanks I'll remember to keep an eye on that in the future.

Solomoriah wrote:
AlMan wrote:Page 111
2d6 Giant Hawks
Should these be in numeric order like the rest of the monsters?
No, actually, it's probably better that they aren't. Descending order is one of JD's quirks, and I don't change them when he gives them to me that way, but on the other hand I'm not going to sort the ones he didn't sort.
I was thinking that since the others were in numerical order that these should too. Having things in order is one of my quirks too. :P
Solomoriah wrote:
AlMan wrote:Rooms 8 through 13: Royal Keep Cellar
"(room #12 on Map 3: Cloud Giant's Floating Castle)" should be "(12 Royal Keep room b on Map 4: Select Buildings on the Castle Grounds)"
I'm not sure what you're saying here. The original text appears correct to me, and I don't understand what you are wanting it changed to.
I was trying to use map 4 instead of map 3, since map 4 has a detailed map of the keep.
Solomoriah wrote: Wow. That was a bunch of changes.

I'm going to push R13 to the Downloads page tonight. Please, guys, take a look and see if I've created any flow errors. This will be a new print release in a week or so if it's okay.
Well, it is a big module. Thanks for the feedback so I can do better in the future.
User avatar
Solomoriah
Site Admin
Posts: 7941
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:15 pm
Location: LaBelle, Missouri
Contact:

Re: JN3 Saga of the Giants

Post Tue Feb 09, 2016 11:01 pm

AlMan wrote:
Solomoriah wrote:
AlMan wrote:Page 111
2d6 Giant Hawks
Should these be in numeric order like the rest of the monsters?
No, actually, it's probably better that they aren't. Descending order is one of JD's quirks, and I don't change them when he gives them to me that way, but on the other hand I'm not going to sort the ones he didn't sort.
I was thinking that since the others were in numerical order that these should too. Having things in order is one of my quirks too. :P
I actually do not like it for encounters in an adventure. I'm prone to presenting the monsters in the order they appear; if the HP groups are in descending order, that means the more monsters the players kill, the easier it gets. They figure that out eventually, and begin to expect it.

But this is a creative factor, and not one I will change just to suit myself. So when JD gives 'em to me in order, I leaves 'em in order.
AlMan wrote:
Solomoriah wrote:
AlMan wrote:Rooms 8 through 13: Royal Keep Cellar
"(room #12 on Map 3: Cloud Giant's Floating Castle)" should be "(12 Royal Keep room b on Map 4: Select Buildings on the Castle Grounds)"
I'm not sure what you're saying here. The original text appears correct to me, and I don't understand what you are wanting it changed to.
I was trying to use map 4 instead of map 3, since map 4 has a detailed map of the keep.
I see your point. However, "12 Royal Keep" still does not read right to me. Generally when we write a room reference in text format, we say "room 12 (Royal Keep)" or "the Royal Keep, room #12, ..."
AlMan wrote:Well, it is a big module. Thanks for the feedback so I can do better in the future.
You do fine. One thing that is always hard is learning the culture when you join a new project. Many of the things that I see as rules are not written down anywhere; Chi has been with the project long enough that he has absorbed much of this stuff by osmosis. Having a second regular proofer is a wonderful thing, and I absolutely appreciate your efforts. Remember, though, this is not a job. I have no expectations of you... I just welcome the assistance whenever you offer it.
My personal site: www.gonnerman.org
User avatar
chiisu81
Posts: 2932
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:05 pm
Location: TX, USA

Re: JN3 Saga of the Giants

Post Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:27 am

Very impressive amounts of edits by AlMan. :) R13 looks good for print.
User avatar
Solomoriah
Site Admin
Posts: 7941
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:15 pm
Location: LaBelle, Missouri
Contact:

Re: JN3 Saga of the Giants

Post Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:38 am

I'll get it uploaded this weekend.
My personal site: www.gonnerman.org
User avatar
chiisu81
Posts: 2932
Joined: Fri Aug 19, 2011 3:05 pm
Location: TX, USA

Re: JN3 Saga of the Giants

Post Wed Mar 02, 2016 9:42 am

Does this just need a flow check before being made new print release?
User avatar
Solomoriah
Site Admin
Posts: 7941
Joined: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:15 pm
Location: LaBelle, Missouri
Contact:

Re: JN3 Saga of the Giants

Post Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:17 am

Actually, I did the flow check myself and uploaded it; in fact, I have a print copy of R13.

So hopefully I didn't miss anything...
My personal site: www.gonnerman.org
Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], Traveller and 5 guests