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by cbarchuk
Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:28 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Sneak Attack
Replies: 81
Views: 5668

Re: Sneak Attack

No roll required, the waiting cost is to compensate not using the thieving skills, which seems to be the one giving you trouble. Sounds good I will give that shot. Should I limit the thief to one backstab per combat and only on the first combat round? Same as for backstabbing, no special extra cons...
by cbarchuk
Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:18 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Sneak Attack
Replies: 81
Views: 5668

Re: Sneak Attack

If you use individual initiative per round, how about requiring that the thief get a higher ini value than his intended target and making him act after the target: the thief must analyze the target's movements and has to attack once this has dropped his guard (after attacking or doing his action). ...
by cbarchuk
Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:13 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Sneak Attack
Replies: 81
Views: 5668

Re: Sneak Attack

I have no problem with the sneak attack and backstab. I just have a problem with metagaming to use it. ie. the bad guys see you and then you suddenly disappear from their sight and they go, "oh never mind that little guy he probably ran away in fear". And then none of the 6 orcs see you creeping ab...
by cbarchuk
Mon Jun 04, 2018 4:22 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Sneak Attack
Replies: 81
Views: 5668

Re: Sneak Attack

Ah okay. So it sounds like you make your thief have have to be hidden or outta sight prior to the party engaging in combat. For example a party approaches a door. Before opening it, the thief decides to hang back about 5' or so. The rest of the party opens the door and moves in to engage a group of ...
by cbarchuk
Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:06 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Sneak Attack
Replies: 81
Views: 5668

Re: Sneak Attack

But I admit I am biased and hope all backstab during combat attempts fail because its such a meta thing to do and a dumb idea in real life. You are separating yourself from your team and, IMO, once you attack you are now in melee and can't break away without giving up a parting shot. Interesting so...
by cbarchuk
Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:54 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Sneak Attack
Replies: 81
Views: 5668

Re: Sneak Attack

He has to, unless the situation guarantees that he will not be detected. If an opponent is fighting and hasn't payed attention to the thief, or is grabbed exposing his back, or any other such situation, then no roll is required, otherwise, roll as needed. Say it's the first round of combat and the ...
by cbarchuk
Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:35 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Sneak Attack
Replies: 81
Views: 5668

Re: Sneak Attack

And I bet that most people who allow the thief to sneak behind a NPC party and backstab one of them allows them to do it in a single round or maybe 1 round to sneak and one to attack. So all that sneAking and hiding and avoiding multiple combatants happens at normal movement speed. Guilty as charge...
by cbarchuk
Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:59 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Sneak Attack
Replies: 81
Views: 5668

Re: Sneak Attack

I think you put to much thought into pleasing the player and I am a player that likes to play a thief. I personally don't think there is any way that a low level character can sneak around to the back of a group in combat in an enclosed space and get into a position to backstab an enemy. If you tri...
by cbarchuk
Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:27 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Sneak Attack
Replies: 81
Views: 5668

Re: Sneak Attack

...hiding doesn't make sense because he's not standing still waiting to ambush someone... Hiding makes sense if the Thief actually tries to hide from an opponent's view (not necessarily hiding in a dark spot, maybe moving to some blind spot or mixing with the combatants), it will take him his actio...
by cbarchuk
Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:01 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Sneak Attack
Replies: 81
Views: 5668

Re: Sneak Attack

Combat is noisy; if the battle is already joined, moving silently may not be all that important, but staying out of sight (hide) would be critical. Judgment is always required. Using what Solo said, if you judge that an opponent has no idea that the thief is attacking... then you could apply backst...